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Debian Debian je od sada DEVUAN

Discussion in 'Debian, LinuxMint, Ubuntu' started by Commander, 29.11.2014.

  1. Tanja

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    Ili su oni zagrizli preveliki zalogaj sa kojim se sad guše, a bili su dovoljno inspirativni prilikom toga pa im zato ljudi daju novac...
     
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    Na Devuan mirror stranicama stoje Devuan (desktop live) 1.0.0 iso zapisi mada se ovde ne vidi da je više RC2 pod live izdanjima. Da nije ili jeste final? ;)
    devuan-final-qm.png
     
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    Nije još...
     
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    @Miki
    Jeste :)
    Ovo je bio plan od samog početka...*ebe se njima i za systemd i za "slobodu" korisnika, važan je što glasniji marketing :D
     
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    Najnovija poruka sa Devuan mailing liste:
    Code:
    On 5/25/17, Veteran Unix Admins <freedom@devuan.org> wrote:
    
    > Many of you might remember November 2014 when we announced that
    > we were going to fork Debian. Well, we have done exactly that. It
    > has been a long process, but now over two years later, we proudly
    > present Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 Stable.
    
    I'm really, really disappointed as no fixes from
    https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170509.130756.f871600a.en.html
    are in.
    _______________________________________________
    Dng mailing list
    Dng@lists.dyne.org
    https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
    
    [DNG] issues after update from debian 8 to devuan 1.0rc2 (with fixes)
     
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    "Gde mi je minuli raaaaad?"...ovo neodoljivo podseća na Devuan :D
     
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    Bas su nesposobni :)
     
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    @Dragan Ovo je najbolja scena iz Radovana III
    i tačno tako izgleda, što bi se reklo "Tresla se gora rodio se (mali) miš".

    I lepo rečeno, radi odma' marketing na veb stranicama - sve da se vidi odma' na "prvi pogled" http://news.softpedia.com/news/firs...for-debian-fans-who-hate-systemd-516056.shtml {270d}

    Objavljeno juče, a "live" iso fajlovi (ili zapisi) postavljeni neki pre tri dana a "installer zapisi" ispravljani na drugim mirror stranicama pre dva dana. Da vidi se objava (u postavljenim iso fajlovima) i pre jučerašnjeg dana. Eh sada da li to više liči na finalno izdanje i ja moram biti pomalo sumnjičav kada je upitanju razvoj istog. :expressionless:
     
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    Ovo je k'o iz Alan Forda :D

    BTW...Devuan flertovanje sa systemd nije očigledno samo onima koji ne znaju o čemu se radi.
    Prvo: libsystemd im je i dalje prisutan u celom sistemu, sa obrazloženjem da je "bezopasan" i neophodan zbog zavisnosti.
    Drugo: najnovije ubacivanje elogind sa sličnim nebuloznim obrazloženjem, meni samo govori da su u suštini foliranti i da im je jedini cilj da postanu "kalif umesto kalifa"...boli njih uvo za korisnike i slobodu.
    Naravno, Debian je, uz sve mane i eventualne strateške greške...bar po mom mišljenju vezano za systemd..i dalje neosporni lider među slobodnim distribucijama. Canonical npr. je to odavno shvatio, ali Devuaneri to tek treba da nauče.
     
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    Gledajući kolike donacije dobijaju, nisu tu čista posla...:D
     
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    Jest...ne koristimo systemd kao celinu, koristimo samo sve njegove delove :D
     
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    @Dragan Јел' може један мањи ELI5 за libsystemd0? Шта systemD може кад није активиран као init?

    С једне стране, или користиш systemD у целости или не, али с друге... зар није боље ишта него ништа (у смислу, барем није init)?
     
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    Nije problem u tome što systemd ne može ništa kada ga nema na sistemu...problem je što libsystemd0, ako je prisutan, sutra može očas posla da se apdejtuje u execlib, i da ceo sistem bude inficiran..opet :)
    Usput, ne radi se samo o init delu uljeza, radi se i o svim ostalim funkcijama koje su prisutne :)
     
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    Da ne ponavljam(o) stalno šta je u suštini systemd:
    NIJE SAMO INIT...to je najmanje bitna funkcija...suština je u tome da kontroliše ceo sistem preko svojih ostalih funkcija.
    systemd - Wikipedia
     
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    Значи, у неку руку, Devuan тренутно није у нешто нарочито лошијој позицији у односу на TRIOS по том питању?
     
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    TRIOS i Devuan su 2 potpuno različita sveta...ja se ne kurvam kao oni, ne živim od toga i sve radim iz čistog zadovoljstva :)
     
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    TRIOS nema ni systemd ni libsystemd, ali me to ne sprečava da malo analiziram šta npr libsystemd sve može :)
    Code:
    [dragan@trios-eudev][/media/dragan/TRIOS/LIBSYSD/REPACK/package/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu]$ readelf -d libsystemd.so.0.15.0
    Dynamic section at offset 0x7f348 contains 35 entries:
      Tag        Type                         Name/Value
    0x0000000000000003 (PLTGOT)             0x80620
    0x0000000000000002 (PLTRELSZ)           7416 (bytes)
    0x0000000000000017 (JMPREL)             0xafc0
    0x0000000000000014 (PLTREL)             RELA
    0x0000000000000007 (RELA)               0x8638
    0x0000000000000008 (RELASZ)             10632 (bytes)
    0x0000000000000009 (RELAENT)            24 (bytes)
    0x000000006ffffff9 (RELACOUNT)          433
    0x0000000000000006 (SYMTAB)             0x260
    0x000000000000000b (SYMENT)             24 (bytes)
    0x0000000000000005 (STRTAB)             0x3fb0
    0x000000000000000a (STRSZ)              12527 (bytes)
    0x000000006ffffef5 (GNU_HASH)           0x70a0
    0x0000000000000001 (NEEDED)             Shared library: [libselinux.so.1]
    0x0000000000000001 (NEEDED)             Shared library: [librt.so.1]
    0x0000000000000001 (NEEDED)             Shared library: [liblzma.so.5]
    0x0000000000000001 (NEEDED)             Shared library: [libgcrypt.so.20]
    0x0000000000000001 (NEEDED)             Shared library: [libpthread.so.0]
    0x0000000000000001 (NEEDED)             Shared library: [libc.so.6]
    0x0000000000000001 (NEEDED)             Shared library: [ld-linux-x86-64.so.2]
    0x000000000000000e (SONAME)             Library soname: [libsystemd.so.0]
    0x000000000000000c (INIT)               0xccb8
    0x000000000000000d (FINI)               0x6067c
    0x000000000000001a (FINI_ARRAY)         0x80338
    0x000000000000001c (FINI_ARRAYSZ)       8 (bytes)
    0x0000000000000019 (INIT_ARRAY)         0x80340
    0x000000000000001b (INIT_ARRAYSZ)       8 (bytes)
    0x000000000000001e (FLAGS)              BIND_NOW
    0x000000006ffffffb (FLAGS_1)            Flags: NOW
    0x000000006ffffff0 (VERSYM)             0x7da0
    0x000000006ffffffc (VERDEF)             0x82bc
    0x000000006ffffffd (VERDEFNUM)          15
    0x000000006ffffffe (VERNEED)            0x84c8
    0x000000006fffffff (VERNEEDNUM)         6
    0x0000000000000000 (NULL)               0x0
    
    Code:
    [dragan@trios-eudev][/media/dragan/TRIOS/LIBSYSD/REPACK/package/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu]$ LD_DEBUG=libs ldd libsystemd.so.0.15.0
         18100:    find library=libncurses.so.5 [0]; searching
         18100:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
         18100:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5
         18100:  
         18100:    find library=libtinfo.so.5 [0]; searching
         18100:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
         18100:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5
         18100:  
         18100:    find library=libdl.so.2 [0]; searching
         18100:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
         18100:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2
         18100:  
         18100:    find library=libc.so.6 [0]; searching
         18100:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
         18100:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
         18100:  
         18100:  
         18100:    calling init: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
         18100:  
         18100:  
         18100:    calling init: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2
         18100:  
         18100:  
         18100:    calling init: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5
         18100:  
         18100:  
         18100:    calling init: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5
         18100:  
         18100:  
         18100:    initialize program: /bin/bash
         18100:  
         18100:  
         18100:    transferring control: /bin/bash
         18100:  
         18101:  
         18101:    calling fini: /bin/bash [0]
         18101:  
         18101:  
         18101:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5 [0]
         18101:  
         18101:  
         18101:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5 [0]
         18101:  
         18101:  
         18101:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 [0]
         18101:  
         18104:  
         18104:    calling fini: /bin/bash [0]
         18104:  
         18104:  
         18104:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5 [0]
         18104:  
         18104:  
         18104:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5 [0]
         18104:  
         18104:  
         18104:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 [0]
         18104:  
         18108:  
         18108:    calling fini: /bin/bash [0]
         18108:  
         18108:  
         18108:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5 [0]
         18108:  
         18108:  
         18108:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5 [0]
         18108:  
         18108:  
         18108:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 [0]
         18108:  
         18109:    find library=libselinux.so.1 [0]; searching
         18109:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
         18109:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libselinux.so.1
         18109:  
         18109:    find library=librt.so.1 [0]; searching
         18109:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
         18109:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/librt.so.1
         18109:  
         18109:    find library=liblzma.so.5 [0]; searching
         18109:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
         18109:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblzma.so.5
         18109:  
         18109:    find library=libgcrypt.so.20 [0]; searching
         18109:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
         18109:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgcrypt.so.20
         18109:  
         18109:    find library=libpthread.so.0 [0]; searching
         18109:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
         18109:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0
         18109:  
         18109:    find library=libc.so.6 [0]; searching
         18109:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
         18109:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
         18109:  
         18109:    find library=libpcre.so.3 [0]; searching
         18109:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
         18109:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcre.so.3
         18109:  
         18109:    find library=libdl.so.2 [0]; searching
         18109:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
         18109:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2
         18109:  
         18109:    find library=libgpg-error.so.0 [0]; searching
         18109:    search cache=/etc/ld.so.cache
         18109:     trying file=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgpg-error.so.0
         18109:  
        linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffce6dbe000)
        libselinux.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libselinux.so.1 (0x00007ff44af2c000)
        librt.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/librt.so.1 (0x00007ff44ad24000)
        liblzma.so.5 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblzma.so.5 (0x00007ff44ab01000)
        libgcrypt.so.20 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgcrypt.so.20 (0x00007ff44a7f2000)
        libpthread.so.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007ff44a5d5000)
        libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x00007ff44a22a000)
        /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007ff44b151000)
        libpcre.so.3 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcre.so.3 (0x00007ff449fbc000)
        libdl.so.2 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0x00007ff449db8000)
        libgpg-error.so.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgpg-error.so.0 (0x00007ff449ba4000)
         18107:  
         18107:    calling fini: /bin/bash [0]
         18107:  
         18107:  
         18107:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5 [0]
         18107:  
         18107:  
         18107:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5 [0]
         18107:  
         18107:  
         18107:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 [0]
         18107:  
         18100:  
         18100:    calling fini: /bin/bash [0]
         18100:  
         18100:  
         18100:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5 [0]
         18100:  
         18100:  
         18100:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5 [0]
         18100:  
         18100:  
         18100:    calling fini: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 [0]
         18100:  
    [dragan@trios-eudev][/media/dragan/TRIOS/LIBSYSD/REPACK/package/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu]$